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18 June 2010 @ 08:32 am
Enough with the "fixing" already  
I'm getting to the point where I cringe a little every time I see someone "like me" in TV or movies. And by that I mean socially awkward and/or extremely reserved. I used to think I was lucky, because just about every show had one of them and I sympathized with and loved them all.

But the problem is, TV is written for extraverts. I'm not sure if it's because the writers are extraverted, or the actors, or the showrunners, but introverts on television are treated with an irritating "othering". They're the really "weird" ones, even though introverts are estimated 30-40% of the population. It's not treated as a personality difference, it's treated as the precursor to mental disorders. Which means that, worst of all, shows and fandom alike must "fix" them so that they will be like "everyone else", which in TV terms means going to parties and getting drunk and going from date to date with enthusiasm. As if this is the highest calling a human being can have.

I'm tired of the jokes made at the expense of non-social people. I'm tired at the assumption that if reserved people just "let their hair down" that they would enjoy parties just as much as "normal" people. I'm tired of it being acceptable in pairings for extravert partners to nag their introvert with "Why can't you just have fun?" and not accepting "My job/books/staying home/etc. is fun" as a proper response (it is, damnit). I'm tired of it being considered a problem to want to spend time alone when you aren't ill or depressed.

And I'm tired of being considered something "fixable". People do not choose to be introverts. Why would we? The scholarly world is the only one that explicitly wants us, and look at how much respect they get. I didn't choose to go against popular culture by feeling my energy leeched out of me the longer I spend among people. And no amount of parties I've been dragged to is going to make me feel anything less but ill and drained a couple hours in, and that's even without drinking. It has nothing to do with having fun, and it has everything to do with natural comfort zones. It is not a frakking crime to feel more comfortable when not squashed in a group of noisy people, and I do not want to be fixed. I am an introvert. I can't imagine being anything else. It's not a problem for me, just for the extraverted parts of the world who choose not to understand...and I don't accept that stubborn obliviousness anymore.

But television almost never gets it either. Geeks need to be socialized; quiet people need to open up; bookworms need to party. Need. As if they aren't complete without a rambunctious social life. Well frak that. And most of all, frak this idea when it appears in fanfic, in fandom, where people are more free to share their social reservations and be accepted for them. It's one thing to expect people to learn to understand enough social cues to effectively communicate (even though it's not easy for some of us); it's an invasion of identity when you expect introverts to learn to love large social events.

Disclaimer: There's a lot of variation among introverts, I know, but for the sake of this post I'm talking about generalizations that do run true among many of my introverted acquaintances.
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confidentiality spice: f&l | terrordanniisupernova on June 18th, 2010 03:42 pm (UTC)
I know what you mean hon. But I have to disagree that TV is written mostly for extroverts. But anyway, I think that all people need basic human companionship from time to time. I hate going out most of the time because I feel like I am in a completely contrived situation with incredibly immature individuals most of the time. Also, I don't like to drink too often as I used to be an at-home alcoholic. But every once in a while I do like to go out, get liquored up and act a fool with my friends.

Like, you said, I'm not saying that all people who are introverted do this specific thing (for example, I also hang out with a bunch of geeky people who are mostly more extroverted then me) but everyone does need human companion ship unless they are anti-social to the point where they kind of hate people. I don't think that you can 'fix' shy, hell I know you can't. Frankly, I grew out of a lot of my shyness but definitely not all of it, especially considering that people just don't know how to deal with me socially for some reason (I seriously don't know. I've wondered about this my entire life. I think I'm fine, but apparently my opinon just doesn't apply). I also think to an extent that everyone is fucking awkward. Anyone who isn't is probably hiding something.
Merry K: kara peaceivanolix on June 18th, 2010 04:40 pm (UTC)
Basic human companionship, yes. This doesn't preclude spending a lot of time spent alone, though, which a lot of people I know seem not to understand. For me, as long as I have a brief conversation with my coworkers and/or family once a day, that satisfies all my social needs.
commoncomitatus on June 18th, 2010 03:49 pm (UTC)
*applauds*

The 'fixable' thing especially. I mean, I'm the first to admit that I and a lot of other introverted types do have elements that need fixing, and that those elements do sometimes go hand in hand with the introversion, that is a fair and valid point... but that does not mean the introversion itself should be counted among the fixable parts. They are completely separate issues, even if they are fundamentally linked.

It's like having a car with a busted engine, and assuming that replacing the engine with a better one will somehow turn the car into a Ferrari. Yes, it'll make the car run, and probably make it smoother than it was before the engine broke... but it's not gonna change what the car is.

/pointless metaphor


Also, at the risk of going off-topic, just to mention a similar issue that drives me nearly as crazy -- the same is also true of soloists. People who are genuinely content to be A) single or B) unattached players can't ever exist in television either; there always has to be someone who enlightens them as to the wonders of A) romance or B) commitment. Which makes sense, in the sense of shows wanting to give fans something to ship, but still. Single people and players DO exist, and they don't always want to be changed or enlightened just because some other person takes an interest.
Merry K: mal facepalmivanolix on June 18th, 2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
I love that metaphor! And yes, I know that I have issues, but I was introverted long before I had issues, and I know I'll be introverted long after my therapist helps me fix my real problems.

Also...hell yes to your OT point! I'm one of those people myself, and it's tough to have to explain that all the time.
Trobadora: Cara - brokentrobadora on June 18th, 2010 04:07 pm (UTC)
So so so very true, all of it, every last word. Are you my soul twin?

(Although I think fandom can be far worse at the fixing-the-introvert game than other media. For example, John Sheppard in SGA? He's fine on the show, but what fandom does to him horrifies me sometimes. Same with, say, Sherlock Holmes. And you've no idea how glad I am that it's very rare when it comes to Cara.)
Merry K: cara prettyivanolix on June 18th, 2010 04:45 pm (UTC)
True, fandom can be worse, primarily in shipping. And I am always grateful for the acceptance of Cara as who she is, socially awkward and all. <3
dhamphir: featherdhamphir on June 18th, 2010 04:14 pm (UTC)
I've never really thought the word introvert applied to me. However, I find myself agreeing with so much of what you said.

I hate crowds. I'm uncomfortable in large groups. I've always described it as 'people claustrophic'. Too many people and I have to leave. But, I don't consider that an introverted thing per se. I know it stems from certain past experiences. Yet I've had more than one person try to tell me to 'loosen up', 'have a good time', 'join the party', etc because of it. And that's before they find out about the time I like to spend alone!

I don't drink alcohol, at all. So why would I want to go to parties where getting drunk is the main goal? Or go to bars full of drunk people? Besides, out of all the couples I've known in over 4 decades, gay or straight, not one of them ever met/started out at a bar. If I did want to 'meet' someone, the last place I would go to is a bar. My ex and I met at a church function and neither of us were 'looking' for anyone.

I didn't choose to go against popular culture by feeling my energy leeched out of me the longer I spend among people.
Amen!! I've said so many times that I needed time alone to 'recharge my batteries' because sometimes people just suck everything out of you. My ex (we were married for almost 16 years) was just the opposite. If she needed 'energy' she HAD to get it from the people around her. She was never good at being alone, but in her case I know a lot of that had to do with other personal issues. She just wasn't happy with herself.

I'd much rather look inward for my needs and answers. After all, if you're not happy with yourself, how can you be happy 'with' someone? Maybe it's the extroverts who need 'fixing'. Maybe they're the ones who are not happy with/by themselves so they're always seeking for that 'missing piece' in someone else. While the introverts have already realized they're whole and complete unto themselves.

That's not to say introverts don't want/need/seek companionship... I just think we're a little pickier who choose to share ourselves with.
spanishtvjunkiespanishtvjunkie on June 18th, 2010 04:45 pm (UTC)
Yep! Agree on all accounts. Seeee, we are not alone! There are many who are like us. lol As I get older I'm finding a happy medium of time well spent on my own and quality interactions with others. There is no one way to be human. Actually there are about 6 billion different ways, one for each human out there. Thanks for the interesting topic ivan!
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emmiereemmiere on June 18th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC)
I'm not the same kind of introvert I think (I like having people around to kick me out of my headspace mostly) but a lot of this rings pretty true.

There was that scene in Fringe where Charlie asks if there was "something wrong" with the pretty firestarter because she worked alone, lived alone, and didn't socialize. Olivia's "define normal" response just made me want to hug her.
Merry K: olivia runivanolix on June 18th, 2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
I *loved* that moment in Fringe. It's sad that it's so rare to hear.
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Spiletta42spiletta42 on June 18th, 2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
Can I steal parts of this post and use them in arguments with my mother about whether I should be allowed to sit in my room and write fiction in my precious spare time, or be forced to "have fun" by serving diet soda to her random gatherings of people who didn't have anything better to do after church?

She doesn't get my need for alone-time, she doesn't approve of writing or even reading fiction, and she never ever leaves the house without somehow managing to contrive a reason to require me to go with her. Then again, I don't know what to expect, she doesn't get the need for bathroom breaks during a twelve hour work day either.

As for the actual topic of your post, before I started making it all about me in my reply, that's why I've been avoiding Big Bang Theory despite being told repeatedly that I'll love it. I know it has one or more loner type guys, and I know he'll inevitably hook up with the blonde woman, and it'll just annoy the snot out of me. Just the facial expressions she aims at the guys in promo photos makes me worry that if I do watch, I'll become one of those fans that hates on the female character, and I'll pass on being repulsed by myself, thank you very much. Plus there's my suspicion that the show lacks any girl geeks, and it's not sci-fi, and if it has compensating science jokes, they're still written by tv writers and aimed at the general population, so many will likely annoy me, like whenever Friends remembers that Ross is a paleontologist, but confuses paleontology with anthropology for the sake of homo erectus jokes.

The other thing I don't like about the extrovert-fixes-the-introvert trope, in addition to what you already said, is that it often manages to exaggerate the extrovert to an annoying degree in the process, and suddenly a hyper junior high age girl has replaced whoever I was attempting to read about originally.



Merry Kivanolix on June 18th, 2010 04:52 pm (UTC)
Sure, go ahead! The only reason my near relations understand me is because my dad is a very adamant introvert...I can only imagine that my growing up would have been a lot more difficult without that ally.

The Big Bang Theory is one of those shows that I started off liking, and now mostly annoys me. Because I think the geeks are genuinely written and I can sympathize with a lot, but there's definitely an understanding that they're "not normal". And there's one minor character who's a girl geek and that's it...so yeah.
lls_mutant: Dradislls_mutant on June 18th, 2010 04:51 pm (UTC)
Actually, I like being an introvert. I am married to an introvert, and both of us require a lot of time to ourselves. And while the balancing act to get it can be very, very difficult, we both understand why the other needs it. Sure, I get lonely sometimes, but overall? I like being in small groups.

(There are certain large parties I love. I adore weddings. I love family reunions. I even sort of enjoy wakes. I like big parties that have a purpose for their celebration.)

Granted, I didn't choose to be an introvert, but it's taken me a lot of years to be at peace with it, and now I am and no one is taking that from me.

Geeks need to be socialized; quiet people need to open up; bookworms need to party. Need. As if they aren't complete without a rambunctious social life. Well frak that. And most of all, frak this idea when it appears in fanfic, in fandom, where people are more free to share their social reservations and be accepted for them.

AMEN.

And this is why I actually like Gaeta/Hoshi. Because "hey, want to stay in and hang out, just the two of us?" is a.) perfectly in character and b.) explains how Tigh never had a clue to their relationship.

Geek love really is the best. :) (Says the girl that will probably spend her Friday night watching a movie with hubby, and being perfectly happy.)

Merry K: gaetaivanolix on June 18th, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
I really like being an introvert too—I mean, I consider it an identity and since I like myself...

I have a weakness for introvert/introvert pairings as well, and Gaeta/Hoshi fic like you're describing is heartwarming. :-D
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pristineungift: pristinepristineungift on June 18th, 2010 04:55 pm (UTC)
Thank you. You hear that people? I want to stay home and be on the internet. No I don't want you in the room with me.

I want to have fun. By myself. Alone.

And that is okay.
Merry K: cara wry lookivanolix on June 18th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC)
Yes, very okay. :-D
Laci: SUNNY // Thumbs Upstar_lace on June 18th, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with what you've said about the television (and cultural) stereotype of the introverted person needing to be "fixed" in order to "fit in" with a more extroverted society. And I totally agree that it's a completely ridiculous notion because, well, people are different and we shouldn't be trying to make them all alike (I'm pretty sure millions of people were killed the last time someone attempted that ludicrous idea).

But, regarding television, I think that part of the reason introverts are so "shunned" is because, in a visual medium, people need to do exciting things. While it can be very compelling to read about someone reading (their thoughts, fantasies, etc), it's not very exciting to watch someone reading or surfing the net or writing or engaging in other non-social forms of entertainment. Thus, it's a lot more exciting for an audience to watch people socializing, talking, and, in the case of introverted characters, being embarrassed and ashamed, than it is to watch them sit at home in their comfort zone. Hell, we'd much rather watch everyone, including extroverted characters, be out of their comfort zone...I mean, we'd much rather watch an argument or a kiss or a Viper fight than watch Adama brushing his teeth. Drama (and most forms of entertainment) is about seeing people in extraordinary, not ordinary, circumstances. And, I guess, for an introverted character, a social situation can be construed as extraordinary, and thus, entertaining to the masses.

This is getting to the point of rambly, but what I'm trying to say is that I think writers' reasons for alienating introverted characters is a basic necessity in storytelling more than a conscious or unconscious effort to make introverted people feel even more alienated than they already do. And I'm not trying to disagree with you...because I do think there are a ridiculous number of instances where introverted characters are teased for their off-screen behaviors which is entirely unnecessary and perpetuates harmful stereotypes. If a character wants to read a book off-screen, there's no reason for the others to ridicule them for it. But on-screen, I do see the need for out-of-their-comfort-zone activities for both intro- and extroverted characters. Unfortunately, this usually comes with ridiculing for the introverted characters and praise for the extroverted characters which is, of course, completely inappropriate (and somewhat surprising, because I tend to think of writerly-types as the more introverted in the world of entertainment, except in the case of actors-turned-writers).
Trobadoratrobadora on June 18th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
I think you're conflating two very different things - being introverted, and being physically active. When introverts are portrayed well on TV, they're generally the physically active kind. But the same is true for extroverts.
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campylobacter: Voldykinscampylobacter on June 18th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)
I was an introvert until about a year or so ago, when I realized "Fuck you so-called Cool People, I'm proud of being a geek!"

I still don't enjoy loud parties (and thankfully am never invited to them) and I still love my books and fandoms and hobbies.

I'm just no longer shy about saying Hi to people or getting in people's faces when I have something to say or trying to include introverts in conversation. I'm not gonna ever let anyone mistake my normal reserve for weakness, or allow anyone to take advantage of me because they think I won't protest their stupid ideas.

Oxymoronic, ain't it? INTROVERTS RISE UP AND REPRAZENT!
Merry K: teal'c smirkivanolix on June 18th, 2010 11:52 pm (UTC)
Heh, I avoid social interaction like sour milk but I've never gotten people trying to take advantage of me. I'm an intimidating introvert—people treat me like Teal'c.
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something clever: bret looking coolshah_of_blah on June 18th, 2010 09:18 pm (UTC)
Pet Peeve #114.

While I do like to get out and about, I also greatly enjoy sitting around by myself with a book or my computer. In real life as much as television, I feel like people think there's something wrong with this. Although I do have one friend who once said I was her hero because when she asked me what I had been doing one Friday night while she was partying it up, I told her that I'd sat around my dorm room reading and watching TV by myself.
Merry K: sam carter studyivanolix on June 18th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
Sounds like my usual Friday nights. ;-)
imelda72imelda72 on June 19th, 2010 12:21 am (UTC)
People do not choose to be introverts. Why would we? The scholarly world is the only one that explicitly wants us, and look at how much respect they get.

LOL, I loved this.

Being closer to the loner end of the spectrum than the introvert end, I completely sympathize. That said...on TV, plots have to revolve around the interaction between people. If that's not happening, then it's not interesting. I know this doesn't directly address the issue of "fixing", but I think it helps explain the bias towards extroversion on TV.
Merry Kivanolix on June 19th, 2010 03:00 am (UTC)
Well, you can interact with people and still be an introvert. I know this for a fact. ;-)
orange_creativeorange_creative on June 19th, 2010 03:10 am (UTC)
All my close, great friendships are with people who understand and accept that I don't want to go to every event or party. They don't take my "No, but thanks for inviting me" personally and know that I value my time alone. It's frustrating dealing with people who don't get that.
Merry Kivanolix on June 19th, 2010 09:21 pm (UTC)
That's really nice! My family is like that, most of the time - I'm grateful.
Allison: *approves*frolicndetour on June 19th, 2010 04:10 am (UTC)
It took me a really long time - far too long - to accept that no, I was never going to enjoy going to clubs or crowded bars where you're pressed up against a million people you don't know, being felt up by random dudes.** And all the people that kept telling me I just needed to loosen up did not help. *sympathies*

** I mean, I don't want to do that opposite thing of looking down on people who do enjoy that sort of thing, because from a distance I can see that it does look like fun. But I'm someone who will work really late just to avoid taking the train when it's super-crowded; it's never going to be fun for me. And ~that's okay~.

It's good to have self-knowledge and acceptance, even if the rest of the world persists in being dumb. :)

Edited at 2010-06-19 04:11 am (UTC)
Merry Kivanolix on June 19th, 2010 09:22 pm (UTC)
Yes. I don't know if I envy party-people, but I wouldn't mind being one if that had been how things went...they just didn't.
miera_c: momomiera_c on June 20th, 2010 03:16 am (UTC)
Pointed here via lyssie and I just wanted to way WORD TO ALL OF THIS DAMMIT.
Merry K: nerdyivanolix on June 20th, 2010 03:49 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you appreciated it. :-)
hell to ships, hell to men, and hell to cities.: The Inside - Rebeccaprozacpark on June 20th, 2010 08:32 am (UTC)
This, yes. One of the most annoying metanarratives ever is the one where some previously introverted person/geek/etc falls for someone who is the opposite, who then proceeds to OPEN UP THE WORLD for the introvert, who then discovers all she/he has been missing out on. And I kind of want to cry at the logic fail every time I see the beginnings of that plot arc starts to develop in fiction. And just, WTF? I can't EVER imagine enjoying the things I shun now, no matter how awesome it looks. It's fun to read about, but um, I would rather just stick to the reading. ;)
Merry Kivanolix on June 20th, 2010 03:51 pm (UTC)
I can't EVER imagine enjoying the things I shun now, no matter how awesome it looks.

*nods* And given how many times I've tried, at the bequest of others, I have a fair amount of evidence to back me up when I avoid similar things in the future. Social things are not something everyone can just grow into.
Ithilianaithiliana on June 20th, 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)
Here from miera_c's rec, and cheering you on! (edited for html fail)

When I was a kid, my best friend and I would get together for sleepovers, and each would haul home a pile of books, and we'd read together much of the time, and our parents would go crazy.

But we liked it!

We'd lie on the bed, read (usually Oz books in grade school) and talk about Oz books, and talk in between books, and read.

My partner and I will go out with a new book to eat at a nice restaurant on a weekend night because we both love it. We talk and we read.

We both hate parties, social events, work functions with people--and as you say, being an introvert is not about disliking people, just about disliking certain types of social public group interactions.

I want a small group of friends and intense talk.

I loathe big groups, mingling, loud voice (the more so that my hearing is changing in my fifties) and social chat which to me is totally devoid of interest.

And I find it hilarious that my extrovert friends, I haz a few, don't understand how much FUN I have on the internet!

Go, you!


Edited at 2010-06-20 06:21 pm (UTC)
Merry K: booksivanolix on June 20th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC)
My partner and I will go out with a new book to eat at a nice restaurant on a weekend night because we both love it. We talk and we read.

Sounds perfect to me. :-D

I'm glad you appreciated the post!
Matt the Bruins fan: too hot for TV writersbruinsfan on June 24th, 2010 04:44 am (UTC)
It is kind of odd that so many people seem fundamentally unable to understand that what's fun for them isn't necessarily fun for everyone. And that introversion isn't the same thing as being socially clueless or not knowing how to have fun.

Which reminds me of an occasion when a woman I was making small talk with remarked about it being so weird that I would eat out by myself rather than waiting to go out with a group. (Wait, staying at home and eating a TV dinner if you can't get friends to accompany you when you'd like to go out is the "normal" way to act?) Being an extrovert didn't help her realize that she and her friends were trying to pick up men at a gay bar/restaurant, or that her method of doing so was so off-putting that she'd have struck out on that occasion even if she'd been a guy who looked like Ben Browder.
Merry Kivanolix on June 24th, 2010 02:54 pm (UTC)
Given that humans are tribal beings, I suppose it's not odd, just frustrating. ;-)
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The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: Olivia in dep tanksabaceanbabe on June 24th, 2010 01:52 pm (UTC)
Yes, this. Introverts unite! Um, but, you know. At a distance. *cough*

My husband is a social butterfly, the epitome of an extravert and I love him madly, but dammit! I am not in some depressed funk just because I want to stay home and work on a video or hang out with my online friends rather than go to some party or parade or festival or whatever other social thing you think I should be doing while you're overseas.

It's nice to read something like this. I may have to quote it at him. ;)
Merry Kivanolix on June 24th, 2010 02:55 pm (UTC)
Glad you appreciate! :-D
baciami2baciami2 on June 24th, 2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
Mm, isn't it the nature of many people that they vehemently believe that whatever works for them will work for everyone else? Swap out introvert/extrovert for any number of other areas of human interaction. Tea drinkers try to convert coffee drinkers. Espresso addicts urge filter coffee lovers over to the dark (roast) side. People urge others to join them in following their football team/ religion/ t.v. show/ vegetarianism/ politics/ music/ workout regimen/ movie/ videogame console/ etc etc etc......saying my way is superior to whatever you've got going on right now. But that's not true necessarily at all. We all know what works for one person may not work for another, but we still "evangelize" them over to our preferences.

Since I'm a raving extrovert that is drawn to introverted guys, I make a compromise with them upfront. Half the time we roll their way, half the time it's mine - with the other person required to make a good show out of pleasing their Significent Other. That person then shows deep appreciation for the other's "sacrifice." I've tried dating extroverts, and we exhaust ourselves. I like the yin/yang of the intro/extrovert pairing.
Merry Kivanolix on June 24th, 2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
Very true! Humans are tribal beings...we like to make everything Us vs. Them, no matter what it is
The First Evilasta77 on June 24th, 2010 09:20 pm (UTC)
I'm an introvert. I'm fine in small groups (or at Dragon Con with 40,000 like minded individuals who I can strike up a conversation with no problem ;), but I hate parties, bars, anything where I have to talk over people or fight to be heard over the music and the drunks. I'm actually much more outgoing than I was when I was in my teens and early twenties, but, looking back, I think I suffered from social anxiety disorder. I was fearful of speaking to anyone besides those I knew very, very well. But even though I am now that I'm more sociable, I still like my alone time. Lots of alone time. And watching TV or going to the movies or chatting with friends online is preferable to me having to make a huge effort to mingle with people I don't know or don't care to know.
Merry Kivanolix on June 25th, 2010 01:39 am (UTC)
*nods* Yup, same here, all of it.
The Mezzaninedeird1 on June 24th, 2010 11:26 pm (UTC)
*nods frantically*

A while back, I was in a play. And one of my fellow actors and I were discussing what we'd be doing that evening were it not for the play.

Him: "Oh, I'd be at a party, getting drunk and pashing with some random guy."

Me: "I'd be at home. Probably practicing guitar, or playing with my cat, or continuing to teach myself French."

Him: *startled look* "Well, it's probably a good thing you're here instead, then."


SCREW YOU. Why are my Saturday night activities considered worthless just because I'm doing them alone? And why is it considered more socially acceptable to get drunk at a loud party than to stay home and play guitar by myself?
Merry K: headdeskivanolix on June 25th, 2010 01:40 am (UTC)
Wow, yeah, he did *not* get it. It's so sad, not to mention frustrating.
SERIOUS FEMININE DERANGEMENTwoodburner on June 26th, 2010 02:18 am (UTC)
YES. I am so tired of people who think there's something wrong with preferring to be alone most of the time.

Man, I once had a friend get mad at me for defending introversion as just a different way of functioning. Apparently, extroverts are discriminated against by introverts and made to feel lesser because introverts think they're all special and artistic. Hmm, I guess spending my whole life being treated like there was something wrong with me for simply liking to be alone was my imagination; I was actually being a snob and oppressing all those poor extroverts by... I don't know, by existing?

(Note that I never even mentioned anything about introversion having anything to do with being artistic in the first place; I merely pointed out that extroverts simply get energy from being with other people, while introverts get energy from focusing inward and being alone. Idek.)
Melanie: Self-respect/entitlementmelaniedavidson on June 26th, 2010 04:50 am (UTC)
Apparently, extroverts are discriminated against by introverts and made to feel lesser because introverts think they're all special and artistic.

Such discrimination, I know! God, think of all those poor, poor extroverts who are being denied the interaction they're entitled to! How dare we not spend all our energy trying to make them happy at our own expense.

*world's tiniest violin*
(no subject) - ivanolix on June 26th, 2010 02:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
JustHuman: bunny2justhuman on June 26th, 2010 02:20 am (UTC)
As a woman that sits in a corner of a party reading a book, I completely agree. And pass on a link for every introvert out there -- really, it should be educational for extroverts too, but they probable wouldn't get it

Caring for your Introvert from Atlantic Monthly.
Merry Kivanolix on June 26th, 2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you appreciated, and, I love that link!
Blackjack Gabbianiblackjackrocket on June 26th, 2010 02:41 am (UTC)
I'm...wondering what you're watching, because I don't see that in such a large part in what I watch. Like Marge Simpson is a pretty big introvert and no one has any issue with it.
Merry Kivanolix on June 26th, 2010 03:02 pm (UTC)
I watch a lot of genre TV? So Stargate, Firefly, Warehouse 13, The Big Bang Theory, Castle, Sanctuary, Farscape, Community, 30 Rock, Harry Potter, The Office...and those are just in fandoms that I was part of for a long time. If I could remember all the movies I'd seen, that would be even worse.
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