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26 January 2010 @ 06:00 pm
Female Space and fandom - I'm not hearing the same words  
In the huge discussion going on around Fandom about the issue of women writing slash, there’s been a heavy use of the phrase “female space” or something like it, both in reference to slash and in reference to fandom in general. But while those words kept giving me the thrill of intrigue, I found myself disinterested once I started reading the posts. True, I’m not much of a slasher (I have a few pet pairings), but women’s issues are important to me. It took me a while to realize that this disinterest was because what I considered “female space” was not what was under discussion.

I’m not saying that they’re using it inappropriately, or even that my definition is better—this is really only tangentially related to any of that discussion. But my initial confusion and following introspection clarified a worldview that I’d never put into these kinds of terms before. So bear with me, this is probably mostly personal, but it’s important for me to lay out what “female space” in fandom means to me (and it means something very important), and why the slash focus only rarely fits in.

If I’m looking at the world in gender-binary terms, there has to be a default, and in my view, it’s female. Male isn’t unnatural, or alien, or lesser, or any of those negative terms; it’s simply not default. Along with that idea comes a variation of the Mother Earth idea, though stripped of spiritual or religious sensibilities. If female is the default, then male comes from female in a sense. And so in that case, “female space” in my mind represents most of the world. Men live in and shape the world just as much, but women bring it into being by being default, automatic, somehow. I suppose this could be considered sexist, but I don’t see a way to remove the idea that there is no neutral when it comes to being (as opposite living, or role choice, which can be neutral).

When it comes to contributing to fandom, this worldview can show up in fairly non-flashy ways. When I write stories that focus on male characters, there is obviously an underlying respect for women, but both as individuals and for the entire gender as belonging to the world. That men alone would be a kind of appropriation, ignoring the default setting on the world.

For example, in my huge AU project for "Stargate SG-1" that rewrote the plot of Season 2, Sam Carter was forced into the rest of the galaxy. Most of her conflicts and friendships alike became with female characters, despite the presence of two very important men in her life and slight canonical het pairings. And while the team left behind became a sausage-fest, the story drew on all the “minor” female characters available (and also some OFCs) to be, in a sense, the guardians/creators of the SGC world as well as active participants. I didn’t do this on purpose—I wasn‘t really thinking about gender at all while I wrote—and it’s not really the way that the show’s worldview operates, but since it was mine it came out automatically. There had to be women first and foremost for the universe to feel right and proper. (And please note, I'm only using myself as an example because I'm most familiar with my own work, not because I believe I'm excellent at expressing my worldview; in fact, I acknowledge that a good deal of my older fic especially is cringe-tastic when viewed from this standard.)

And this worldview affects, not only what I contribute to fandom, but how I consume fandom. I can’t connect to the show “Supernatural” primarily because it is clearly a male-default place—and therefore it does not strike me as real, but instead a surreal alternate universe that isn’t the fun fanfic kind. It’s why I prefer "Castle" to "Chuck", because the males are equals who may carry male privilege proudly in the former, but often the sense is of the men as kindly interlopers in the “real” world that is at the very least not male-centric; whereas "Chuck" gives an opposite view. It’s why I prefer "Leverage" to "Burn Notice", because despite the women who move and shake the BN world, they are never default, they are additions. It’s why for the longest time I kept reading Georgette Heyer’s works instead of Jane Austen’s, because while the former is almost certainly more attached to the idea of a strong dominant man who will eventually save everything (not a stereotype I endorse), the sense of the female world is always strong and (more importantly) varied and positive. Whereas Jane Austen’s heroines live in a male world that is also full of usually-antagonistic women. There may be a couple allies, such as a sister, but it is definitely stranger-in-a-strange-land for Austen’s women.

Now, it’s not hard to see that my worldview isn’t realistic. The idea of a world where female is default is not going to be accurate in modern or historical fiction, and I’m not trying to say that it is. But it’s my unconscious (or, well, not so much) ideal; it’s the way I see the world at its core, natural and without social conceptions. And it’s something that most slash, and a high percentage of het, fails to achieve, no matter how many female characters are present. It's not something that is easily articulated, but it can be compared to reading a fic about a certain pairing that's written by someone who normally writes a "rival" pairing—it never feels the same even if all the right "kinks" are there, because their backing worldview of the characters/world isn't the same. Likewise, fic written by people who don't have a female-default (or similar) worldview can't ever feel perfect to me. I'm not saying that that's wrong, it’s just how my sense of “female space” works.

Female space is almost the entire world, not just who's creating the fanfictional ones, in my view.
 
 
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Spiletta42spiletta42 on January 27th, 2010 02:21 am (UTC)
This makes so much sense. I can't think of anything clever to add, but thanks for this post.
Merry K: samivanolix on January 27th, 2010 04:32 am (UTC)
:-) I'm glad it resonated with you!
scifiaddict86scifiaddict86 on January 27th, 2010 02:21 am (UTC)
I don't know if this is so much about world view but I do find I have a harder time connecting with Male or lame female ones so I tend to watch show with stronger female characters.
Merry Kivanolix on January 27th, 2010 04:34 am (UTC)
That's very similar to what I'm talking about, but there are almost never any female characters that I consider "lame". Unappealing to me, sure, that happens, but I don't consider them lame unless they're misogynist caricatures.
patron saint of neglected female characters: DW: companions of awesomenessrose_griffes on January 27th, 2010 02:31 am (UTC)
You're not the only one with a default female worldview. The stories I like best have women--not necessarily as the center, but they're there and important.

That being said, it's easy for me to keep that idea even in the workplace. As a teacher I'm surrounded by lots of other women. So there's little to challenge my own view. I'm guessing my 'lenses' would be different if I worked closely with a male majority.

(Side note: my family has a history of misandry. My great-grandmother used to say, "Men. Don't be one.")
entertaining in a disturbing waylyssie on January 27th, 2010 03:11 am (UTC)
I work almost entirely with women (accounting is apparently for women, managerial positions are for men...) so I understand this...
Merry K: season 9 teamivanolix on January 27th, 2010 04:36 am (UTC)
I'd love a job like that! My workplace is 50/50 with the genders, but I spend a lot of time around my family, where there are far more men (with male-default worldviews the lot of them), so I'm constantly a little frustrated with gender discussion if it ever comes up.
kore: the center of a nonexistent universekorenap on January 27th, 2010 05:26 am (UTC)
Just a bit from the femslash junkie perspective. The problem is female space as the world is not portrayed, lesbian space, a community of women who are strong activists and protagonists is non existent. When strong women show up on TV their hetero creds are quickly established cause you can't have any of those strong women be lesbians, they already act to strong and independent. That would alienate viewers. BSG had very strong women, but almost zero interaction between them as women. Women's personal lives were always wrapped up in men or strictly professional. There were no two women who were even best friends. Femslash may not rise to the level of female worldview fic in a broader sense because it's usually just focused on getting lesbians to exist. And the women that are slashed are in an intentionally (by the tv writers and networks) male centric world. It has been said that women walking down the street are always aware of where men are in relation to them, especially if they are approaching your space, men only need to be aware of the women they are attracted to. They tend to ogle or ignore. Sometimes female centric fic is just about being able to take a breather from that necessary attention.
Merry K: caprica boomer war heroesivanolix on January 27th, 2010 02:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, I know exactly what you mean here! That's why femslash is such a "comfort" genre for me, because it's safe. There are other reasons I like it, obviously, and the same applies to all-female genfic (though that's almost nonexistent), but it's that freedom from gender inequalities that is the most appealing.

I think the lack of women friendships apart from men is due to an unconscious fear among male TV writers. Since they ignore women they aren't attracted to, they don't know what's going on with them. If they acknowledge that women do things when they're not being ogled/ogler, then they have to wonder what those things are. It becomes almost a secret society. They'd much rather portray women as only being there to discuss men, because that they think they understand.
kore: the center of a nonexistent universekorenap on January 27th, 2010 05:50 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, It's not unconscious. I've see the memos. It's very conscious, think of SVU. Anyone who thinks that an SVU squad in NY would have one woman surrounded by men is delusional. BSG may have been unconscious or in some cases consciously ignored (the strip club scene that was supposed to have men and women stripping). And yes it does take women writers who are somehow empowered not to be one of the boys to get it in, and women producers. Even then the networks are know for their concern of how something will 'play', until they decide to go for a bit of sensationalism which they pat themselves mightily on the back for. It is ingrained enough to be unconscious but it is also reinforced if not demanded.
Merry Kivanolix on January 28th, 2010 01:15 am (UTC)
I think the internal sexism is unconscious. Obviously they're often aware of when they do it in TV, but I'm not so sure they realize that they themselves think those kinds of thoughts. It's easy to say "Oh, that wouldn't work on television" and ignore the fact that they wouldn't really want it to work any other way.
miera_c: girl powermiera_c on January 28th, 2010 07:07 pm (UTC)
,Women's personal lives were always wrapped up in men or strictly professional. There were no two women who were even best friends.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves with media depictions of women overall. I've never been in a work environment of any kind where the women did not at least talk to each other in a casual way. Even women who may not like each other all that much relate in a certain way that I almost never see on a screen anywhere, and friendships or bonding that doesn't involve the "sexy pillow fight" style of female bonding that most serves male viewers is nowhere to be seen, not even little tiny flashes really. Drives me crazy.
Merry K: sam vala shoppingivanolix on January 29th, 2010 03:03 am (UTC)
Most definitely! Although granted, there aren't a lot of interesting conversations, at least in my experience. Most of casual life doesn't end up in television for that reason. But to have not even a smidgen of a hint? Gah. That's what fanfic is for, but it shouldn't have to be.
sun gladiator ari: (mbsg) we're super shinyhariboo on January 27th, 2010 10:36 am (UTC)
Male isn’t unnatural, or alien, or lesser, or any of those negative terms; it’s simply not default.

I think this pretty much summarises most of my fandom experiences and leanings. In practically every show I watch I watch it's the women that suck me in and keep me there. Nothing against the guys but just... Idk, I guess the easiest way to explain it is that they're just not who I initially connect with. I think it's part of the reason that as great as Supernatural is a show (fandom and icky women issues aside) I could just never connect with it. But that's just me.
Merry K: michael/claudia happyivanolix on January 27th, 2010 02:11 pm (UTC)
Initially is a good word. I mean, I love Daniel for instance, but I fell for Vala and then Sam and only then did I start to find Daniel interesting.
campylobacter: tonguecampylobacter on January 28th, 2010 08:21 am (UTC)
OMG, me too, merry. Vala is my "interface" to the Stargate 'verse.

Likewise got hooked on The X-Files because of Scully. Fell for Doctor Who because of Tegan (during Five's tenure).

Come to think of it, as a kid, I liked Bewitched because of Samantha, and The Addams Family because of Morticia.
Merry K: vala ark of truth smileivanolix on January 28th, 2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
I actually watched the episode "Crusade" first of all SG-1, and was really disappointed when I discovered that this awesome Vala person wasn't main cast. ;-)
hummingfly67: SG1 - Vala_side viewhummingfly67 on January 28th, 2010 01:05 pm (UTC)
I love Daniel for instance, but I fell for Vala

Ditto. I tried out SG1 (starting at S8 "Prometheus Unbound" just a few short months ago) because of Claudia Black/Farscape and stayed because of Vala. Which led me to love the rest of SG1.

I think most of my favorite shows/movies (past and present) are because of a strong female character.
Merry K: vala stylisticivanolix on January 28th, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC)
Hee, Vala is our gateway drug. ;-) Yes, I saw "Crusade" first (by accident).
Allisonfrolicndetour on January 27th, 2010 07:48 pm (UTC)
I'm the same way, though I hadn't fully realized it before. I thought it was more of a minor character/major character distinction, but then I realized that I'm all about fleshing out the backstory of Jean Barolay or Tory (or Julia Prynne, sorry I haven't had a chance to finish that one yet!), but none whatsoever in Hoshi or Hotdog or whatever. Which isn't to say I couldn't become interested, but it takes more to get me there. Oftentimes a female point of view is enough to pull me in.

But while those words kept giving me the thrill of intrigue, I found myself disinterested once I started reading the posts.

Heh, this! I remember the first time I stumbled on an essay about fandom as a female space, and being all intrigued until I realized she was talking exclusively about slash fandom. And I do get how it's a female space by virtue of the fact that the vast majority of the participants are female, but not so much in the way that I tend to define the term.
Merry K: helo karaivanolix on January 28th, 2010 01:19 am (UTC)
but none whatsoever in Hoshi or Hotdog

Hee, you picked the only two minor BSG men that I do like fleshing out. (Other than the Cylons. Well, and Zak and Gaeta, but they don't count in my mind.) But yeah, I'm always interested in the women's stories.
entertaining in a disturbing way: Paulla loves gunslyssie on January 28th, 2010 05:51 am (UTC)
*untangles some of the tabs she's still got open*

YES. This. And generally, that's why I write more women. Not ALWAYS, but often.
Merry K: callyivanolix on January 28th, 2010 02:55 pm (UTC)
Me too. I haven't gotten a prompt for a male-centric story in ages now...it just took me a while to notice since I do write het and male/female friendship.
campylobacter: waitresscampylobacter on January 28th, 2010 08:27 am (UTC)
Having grown up in a rather conservative, nearly religiously fundamentalist family, I had to consciously reconstruct my world view into making "female space" my default -- in my early twenties, in college.

The Eternal Feminine makes much more sense to my cosmology now; it's the creative force that allows the masculine to act; "male space" requires that "female space" exists FIRST.
Merry K: daniel vala friendsivanolix on January 28th, 2010 03:00 pm (UTC)
I still have that issue, given that I spend a lot of time with my conservative fundamentalist family and am in the closet (about many, many things) to them for all our sanities' sakes.
hummingfly67: SG1_Daniel touch Vala's cheek_Unendinghummingfly67 on January 28th, 2010 01:14 pm (UTC)
(here via campylobacter)

I'm not very good with meta (find it difficult to articulate my thoughts) but I love to read other's thoughts.

And what you've said...Yes.
Merry K: sam vala hugivanolix on January 28th, 2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I wasn't sure if anyone else would appreciate it, since it seemed like a very personal worldview, but it's kind of awesome how many people can relate to it. :-)
Opal: d ellen and patty workingoparu on January 28th, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)
I found this post very agreeable. Thank you for writing it! As soon as I find a woman I identify with, I like a show. Then I realise I like the men too but the woman has to come first. (like Scully or Aeryn Sun or Elizabeth Weir)
Merry K: samivanolix on January 29th, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
I'm glad you enjoyed it! :-)
emmiere: Katee and Tricia: *g*emmiere on February 1st, 2010 06:32 am (UTC)
Just popping back through to say I very much approve of this post. :D Even if it's not quite my reaction, it's close and I get very twitchy if I can't ground the story in its women characters. The descriptions of "female space" floating around the slash debate baffle me and usually seem so incomplete as a definition.
Merry K: katee triciaivanolix on February 1st, 2010 02:58 pm (UTC)
Glad you liked it! Yes, baffling is a good word.
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